diff --git a/frappe/core/page/permission_manager/permission_manager.py b/frappe/core/page/permission_manager/permission_manager.py
index d39365812c..0dfd3f222a 100644
--- a/frappe/core/page/permission_manager/permission_manager.py
+++ b/frappe/core/page/permission_manager/permission_manager.py
@@ -7,7 +7,7 @@ import frappe.defaults
 from frappe.modules.import_file import get_file_path, read_doc_from_file
 from frappe.translate import send_translations
 from frappe.desk.notifications import delete_notification_count_for
-from frappe.permissions import reset_perms
+from frappe.permissions import reset_perms, get_linked_doctypes
 
 @frappe.whitelist()
 def get_roles_and_doctypes():
@@ -31,15 +31,6 @@ def get_permissions(doctype=None, role=None):
 		role and ((doctype and " and " or "") + " role='%s'" % role.replace("'", "\'")) or ""),
 		as_dict=True)
 
-	def get_linked_doctypes(dt):
-		return list(set([dt] + [d.options for d in
-			frappe.get_meta(dt).get("fields", {
-				"fieldtype":"Link",
-				"ignore_user_permissions":("!=", 1),
-				"options": ("!=", "[Select]")
-			})
-		]))
-
 	linked_doctypes = {}
 	for d in out:
 		d.linked_doctypes = linked_doctypes.setdefault(d.parent, get_linked_doctypes(d.parent))
diff --git a/frappe/permissions.py b/frappe/permissions.py
index 05c9c24416..6b20bd8037 100644
--- a/frappe/permissions.py
+++ b/frappe/permissions.py
@@ -119,15 +119,19 @@ def get_role_permissions(meta, user=None):
 						perms["apply_user_permissions"][ptype] = (perms["apply_user_permissions"].get(ptype, 1)
 							and p.get("apply_user_permissions"))
 
-				if p.apply_user_permissions and p.user_permission_doctypes:
-					# set user_permission_doctypes in perms
-					user_permission_doctypes = json.loads(p.user_permission_doctypes)
+				if p.apply_user_permissions:
+					if p.user_permission_doctypes:
+						# set user_permission_doctypes in perms
+						user_permission_doctypes = json.loads(p.user_permission_doctypes)
+
+						if user_permission_doctypes:
+							# perms["user_permission_doctypes"][ptype] would be a list of list like [["User", "Blog Post"], ["User"]]
+							for ptype in rights:
+								if p.get(ptype):
+									perms["user_permission_doctypes"].setdefault(ptype, []).append(user_permission_doctypes)
+					else:
+						user_permission_doctypes = get_linked_doctypes(meta.name)
 
-					if user_permission_doctypes:
-						# perms["user_permission_doctypes"][ptype] would be a list of list like [["User", "Blog Post"], ["User"]]
-						for ptype in rights:
-							if p.get(ptype):
-								perms["user_permission_doctypes"].setdefault(ptype, []).append(user_permission_doctypes)
 
 		for key, value in perms.get("apply_user_permissions").items():
 			if not value:
@@ -285,3 +289,12 @@ def reset_perms(doctype):
 	frappe.db.sql("""delete from tabDocPerm where parent=%s""", doctype)
 	frappe.reload_doc(frappe.db.get_value("DocType", doctype, "module"),
 		"DocType", doctype, force=True)
+
+def get_linked_doctypes(dt):
+	return list(set([dt] + [d.options for d in
+		frappe.get_meta(dt).get("fields", {
+			"fieldtype":"Link",
+			"ignore_user_permissions":("!=", 1),
+			"options": ("!=", "[Select]")
+		})
+	]))
diff --git a/frappe/public/js/frappe/model/meta.js b/frappe/public/js/frappe/model/meta.js
index 5f7304afc0..d2497b2dbc 100644
--- a/frappe/public/js/frappe/model/meta.js
+++ b/frappe/public/js/frappe/model/meta.js
@@ -68,6 +68,11 @@ $.extend(frappe.meta, {
 		return docfields;
 	},
 
+	get_linked_fields: function(doctype) {
+		return $.map(frappe.get_meta(doctype).fields,
+			function(d) { return d.fieldtype=="Link" ? d.options : null; });
+	},
+
 	get_fields_to_check_permissions: function(doctype, name, user_permission_doctypes) {
 		var fields = $.map(frappe.meta.get_docfields(doctype, name), function(df) {
 			return (df.fieldtype==="Link" && df.ignore_user_permissions!==1 &&
diff --git a/frappe/public/js/frappe/model/perm.js b/frappe/public/js/frappe/model/perm.js
index 01b1d1ffb8..06084b7144 100644
--- a/frappe/public/js/frappe/model/perm.js
+++ b/frappe/public/js/frappe/model/perm.js
@@ -151,14 +151,19 @@ $.extend(frappe.perm, {
 
 		var user_permissions = frappe.defaults.get_user_permissions();
 		if(user_permissions && !$.isEmptyObject(user_permissions)) {
-			var user_permission_doctypes = me.get_user_permission_doctypes(perm[0].user_permission_doctypes[ptype],
-				user_permissions);
+			if(perm[0].user_permission_doctypes) {
+				var user_permission_doctypes = me.get_user_permission_doctypes(perm[0].user_permission_doctypes[ptype],
+					user_permissions);
+			} else {
+				// json is not set, so give list of all doctypes
+				var user_permission_doctypes = [[doctype].concat(frappe.meta.get_linked_fields(doctype))];
+			}
 
 			$.each(user_permission_doctypes, function(i, doctypes) {
 				var rules = {};
 				var fields_to_check = frappe.meta.get_fields_to_check_permissions(doctype, null, doctypes);
 				$.each(fields_to_check, function(i, df) {
-					rules[df.label] = user_permissions[df.options];
+					rules[df.label] = user_permissions[df.options] || [];
 				});
 				if (!$.isEmptyObject(rules)) {
 					match_rules.push(rules);